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The current lesson is about the Holy Spirit. Its direct trinitarian slant has brought up some animated discussions in some quarters. Here is the preface.

Lesson preface

How does this new doctrine of the trinity harmonize with the pioneer view?

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Please explain how this is a new doctrine.
You refer to "the pioneer view", what do you mean by that?
Why should it matter what view people held, isn't the Bible the ruler by which we measure our beliefs?

This new doctrine was not accepted in the SDA church until 1980.  We use to be a non trinitarian church.

This is what Ellen White had to say: 

“The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” — MR 14, p. 84

 

“We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” —  Letter 66, April 10, 1894

 

“but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST,”

— Manuscript 36-1891

 “In giving us His Spirit, God gives us Himself,” — (E.G. White, 7T 273.1, 1902)
The divine Spirit that the world's Redeemer promised to send, is the presence and power of God.” — (E.G. White, ST, Nov 23)

There is a good website that explain it better than me: https://www.trinitytruth.org/

The doctrine was accepted at the end of the 19th century following the publication of The Desire of Ages. The idea that it was not accepted prior to 1980 is fake news (to put it in modern parlance).

Sis. White wrote in The Desire of Ages that the Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Godhead (p.671, pub.1898)

In Review and Herald 9th October 1913, F. M. Wilcox stated that the 1st of 15 "cardinal features" of the SDA faith was belief in the "divine Trinity".

You have been misinformed... just because something is written on a web site does not make it true. Just read the book The Desire of Ages.

Amen JohnB thanks for bringing some sense to this discussion 

Ellen White helped in removing the blinders off the pioneers on this subject, but some individuals still want to hold on to error. The lesson is very pertinent in destroying the heresies held by some on the subject of the Holy Spirit.

The Lesson does a great job on this subject...

The trinity doctrine is not new as such, but in the Adventist church it is only in 1980 that it became a fundamental belief. Adventist pioneers including EG White did not have it although the trinity doctrine was in the Catholic church and the churches most of the pioneers left (Baptist and Methodist mainly). The Bible does not have the word trinity, much less the trinity doctrine.

If we prove to you that Ellen White believed in the Trinity, would you then accept it?

Would you believe if we also prove it from the Bible?
The Catholic Church killed anyone that didn't believe in the trinity, as well as anyone that spoke in tongues or any other manifestation of Holy Spirit was deemed to be of the Devil. It was a religious monopoly or tyranny.

TRUE.

Dan, please clarify exactly what you mean. You are speaking in vague terms... what do you mean by "doctrine of the trinity". After all, if you don't know what you are arguing against there can be no discussion.
You rightly say the word "trinity" is not in the Bible. So what? Neither are the words "incarnation", "divinity", "omnipotent", "omniscient" and many more. Are you suggesting that we are only limited in theological discussion to the words found in the English translation of the Bible?
So, please clarify what you mean. Are you suggesting that all trinitarian beliefs are inventions of the Roman Catholic Church?
You are using a word with a variety of definitions so please clarify which definition you are applying to the word "trinity".
As to whether the Bible contains a trinity doctrine, it all turns on how you define that doctrine.
The founders of SDA were not trinitarians. The believers in the book of Acts were not trinitarians, they did everything in the name of Jesus Christ. Trinity crept into the early church and into the SDA.
What do you mean by trinitarian? I wish someone would please define which definition of trinity is being referred to.

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