Adventist Online

What is the position of the SDA church concerning abortion? What is done with gestational tissue when an abortion is done at Loma Linda for example?

In light of the Planned Parenthood selling body parts what is the SDA's stance? 

Their distinctive rites include worshiping on Saturday, the seventh day of the week as opposed to Sunday, an emphasis on the Second Coming of Christ and an emphasis on following Jewish dietary laws concerning abstinence from pork, shellfish and other foods proscribed as “unclean” in the Old Testament. The denomination is known for its emphasis on health. Alcohol and tobacco are prohibited and many Adventists are vegetarians.

But the denomination may be the only theologically conservative Protestant group that allows elective abortions. Many of their own members didn’t know that their worldwide hospital network performed the procedure, which has been quite the discussion on the Adventists for Life Facebook page. A number of posters were shocked to learn the denomination’s stance.

http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2011/01/24/adventists-and-aborti...

************

Concerning Planned Parenthood’s repeated denials that they make any money from the exchange of body parts for cash, something that would be illegal under federal law, O’Donnell said, “For whatever we could procure, they would get a certain percentage. The main nurse was always trying to make sure we got our specimens. No one else really cared, but the main nurse did because she knew that Planned Parenthood was getting compensated.”

Without offering any proof, Richards repeatedly told Stephanopoulos that Daleiden’s group is part of the pro-life movement that has murdered abortionists and bombed abortion clinics. She also accused Daleiden’s group of editing the 2.5-hour videos, as if news organizations like ABC only ever run raw footage of interviews.

The first video, released only two weeks ago, showed a Planned Parenthood doctor casually eating her salad and sipping wine while talking about baby body parts. The video shocked the nation. The second video from last week showed another Planned Parenthood executive haggling over the price of baby body parts and joking that she wanted “a Lamborghini” in exchange for baby organs.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/28/planned-parentho...

Views: 1445

Reply to This

Replies to This Discussion

How can it be an attack if doing abortions according to you is OK as you claim for the SDA institutions?  Are you ashamed? Maybe there is hope for you. Much of this information is not public and the question is valid and cannot be found unless you know where to look. 

"How can it be an attack if doing abortions according to you is OK as you claim for the SDA institutions?  Are you ashamed? Maybe there is hope for you. Much of this information is not public and the question is valid and cannot be found unless you know where to look. "

Why should i be ashamed?

You are making no sense. I just refuse to do your bidding and give you and others even more ammunition to attack and discredit an organization for your out of line attacks...

The question was answered and the wrong claim refuted multiple times now if that isnt enough for you maybe do your own research its not hidden information.

Given the controversial nature of the subject you are telling me this is out in the open?

That is why a hidden camera was used to find someone speaking openly?

 You are being picayune and know that I am speaking in the broader sense.  The subject is that; are SDA institutions are giving abortions, are they recieving """donations""" for human flesh? Out of one side of your mouth you are saying abortion is good and out of the other side don't ask question about if said institutions are doing it, and then you ask if I make sense. I would give you the last word but you keep stepping in pile.

 Note question marks. Questions are not statements of fact. 

"Given the controversial nature of the subject you are telling me this is out in the open?

That is why a hidden camera was used to find someone speaking openly?

 You are being picayune and know that I am speaking in the broader sense.  The subject is that; are SDA institutions are giving abortions, are they recieving """donations""" for human flesh? Out of one side of your mouth you are saying abortion is good and out of the other side don't ask question about if said institutions are doing it, and then you ask if I make sense. I would give you the last word but you keep stepping in pile.

 Note question marks. Questions are not statements of fact. "

No sorry Raymond you do not make sense.

I think you mislooked and misinterpreted my reply you response onto here.

Here i replied and please look onto what exactly i replied onto i even quoted it so no the subject of my reply is NOT what you are trying to twist it into and NO i did not reply onto a question and no there is no question mark where i reply and quoted to.

My first reply was giving exact statistics which i edited out later but i did not reply onto your OT so i do not get it what you are trying to twist or spin out of that reply.

Maybe you should try to read what is written and take the context as in onto WHAT exactly it is written as is and not spin something else or take it as an answer onto another question.

Lastly all adventist medical facilities receive reimbursement of their costs for the donations of human tissue exactly like Planned Parenthood does and no thats not hidden information.

I agree my daughter-in-law was advised the same but elected to carry a baby she knew would not live long because she wanted to meet it.  No one would have blamed her for an abortion.  This is not the subject at hand but for example an elective abortion because it would not be the husbands child (happened to me) or because it conflicts with school or some other life situation. 

 Pastor T

Everyone has a 'valid' reason for abortion then? 

You are asking me if a woman in my church decided to murder someone, would I let her know of my disapproval or would I give her the support and spiritual encouragement she needs even if I do not agree with her decision? 

Pastor T,  I'm getting very concerned about your liberal views on this forum. When a person takes the position of prophet or shepherd, it comes with great privilege and responsibility. I do not need to quote for you Ezekiel 9 or SoP on the matter. Is the 'pastor' in your moniker a description of a position in church or a name (like Pasteur Louis)?

Why are you leading the young people astray? You selectively quoted the second point as if it stands alone. This point is dependent on the other points. We are NEVER encouraged to support persons in sin. Those who must have an abortion because of rape or life threatening issues should be supported. Why are we so blind?

1) Prenatal human life is a magnificent gift of God. God's ideal for human beings affirms the sanctity of human life, in God's image, and requires respect for prenatal life. However, decisions about life must be made in the context of a fallen world. Abortion is never an action of little moral consequence. Thus prenatal life must not be thoughtlessly destroyed. Abortion should be performed only for the most serious reasons.

2) Abortion is one of the tragic dilemmas of human fallenness. The Church should offer gracious support to those who personally face the decision concerning an abortion. Attitudes of condemnation are inappropriate in those who have accepted the gospel. Christians are commissioned to become a loving, caring community of faith that assists those in crisis as alternatives are considered.

3) In practical, tangible ways the Church as a supportive community should express its commitment to the value of human life. These ways should include:

a. strengthening family relationships

b. educating both genders concerning Christian principles of human sexuality

c. emphasizing responsibility of both male and female for family planning

d. calling both to be responsible for the consequences of behaviors that are inconsistent with Christian principles

e. creating a safe climate for ongoing discussion of the moral questions associated with abortion

f. offering support and assistance to women who choose to complete crisis pregnancies

g. encouraging and assisting fathers to participate responsibly in the parenting of their children.

The Church also should commit itself to assist in alleviating the unfortunate social, economic, and psychological factors that add to abortion and to care redemptively for those suffering the consequences of individual decisions on this issue.

4) The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however, it should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church. Women, at times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital defects carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She should be aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, these decisions are best made within the context of healthy family relationships.

5) Christians acknowledge as first and foremost their accountability to God. They seek balance between the exercise of individual liberty and their accountability to the faith community and the larger society and its laws. They make their choices according to scripture and the laws of God rather than the norms of society. Therefore, any attempts to coerce women either to remain pregnant or to terminate pregnancy should be rejected as infringements of personal freedom.

6) Church institutions should be provided with guidelines for developing their own institutional policies in harmony with this statement. Persons having a religious or ethical objection to abortion should not be required to participate in the performance of abortions.

7) Church members should be encouraged to participate in the ongoing consideration of their moral responsibilities with regard to abortion in light of the teaching of scripture.

Principles for a Christian View of Life

Introduction

"Now this is eternal life; that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent" (John 17:3, NIV). In Christ is the promise of eternal life; but since human life is mortal, humans are confronted with difficult issues regarding life and death. The following principles refer to the whole person (body, soul, and spirit), an indivisible whole (Genesis 2:7; 1 Thessalonians 5:23).


Life: Our valuable gift from God

1) God is the Source, Giver, and Sustainer of all life (Acts 17:25,28; Job 33:4; Genesis 1:30, 2:7; Psalm 36:9; John 1:3,4).

2) Human life has unique value because human beings, though fallen, are created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27; Romans 3:23; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 3:2; John 1:29; 1 Peter 1:18,19).

3) God values human life not on the basis of human accomplishments or contributions but because we are God's creation and the object of His redeeming love (Romans 5:6,8; Ephesians 2:2-6; 1 Timothy 1:15; Titus 3:4,5; Matthew 5:43-48; Ephesians 2:4-9; John 1:3, 10:10).


Life: Our response to God's gift

"Why are you leading the young people astray? You selectively quoted the second point as if it stands alone. This point is dependent on the other points. We are NEVER encouraged to support persons in sin. Those who must have an abortion because of rape or life threatening issues should be supported. Why are we so blind?"

This makes little sense to me Jason.

So what you are saying that those who sin should not be supported by the church? Arent we all sinners? This is rather odd. And how is offering support for persons facing a decision the same as supporting sin?

And actually no the 2nd point is not dependant on the other points. It stands alone in itself as well as within the context.  Condemnation and similar attitudes do not fit those who accepted the gospel. If you think this to be untrue as a genera rule than i am really wondering what bible you read.

Regards

Pastor T 

The divine rebuke is upon that false sympathy for the sinner which endeavors to excuse his sin. It is the effect of sin to deaden the moral perceptions, so that the wrongdoer does not realize the enormity of transgression, and without the convicting power of the Holy Spirit he remains in partial blindness to his sin. It is the duty of Christ’s servants to show these erring ones their peril. Those who destroy the effect of the warning by blinding the eyes of sinners to the real character and results of sin often flatter themselves that they thus give evidence of their charity; but they are working directly to oppose and hinder the work of God’s Holy Spirit; they are lulling the sinner to rest on the brink of destruction; they are making themselves partakers in his guilt and incurring a fearful responsibility for his impenitence. Many, many, have gone down to ruin as the result of this false and deceptive sympathy. PP 361.2

Pastor T,

If I have human fallenness and go to Compton and wipe out a whole section of gang members would the Church offer gracious support and attitudes condemnation would then be inappropriate and I should be treated with a loving, caring community of faith to assist me in my crisis of eliminating the sum of the earth?  Or, is slaughtering innocent babies more acceptable?  Are babies more evil than predator gang members?

RSS

Site Sponsors

 

Adventist Single?
Meet other Single
Adventists here:
Join Free


USA members:

Support AO by
using this link:
Amazon.com

 

© 2020   Created by Clark P.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service