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why do women still preach when the Bible says that women should be silent at church?

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There is a context to that. Women should not be pastors or elders...but they can preach under the authority of a man.

ohh. thanks Jason

Where says the text what the women can not be pastors, Jason? 

I meant an ordained Elder or ordained pastor or overseer. Both genders can pastor but not in pastoral ministry or the ministry. 

Ellen White said:  

"All who desire an opportunity for true ministry, and who will give themselves unreservedly to God, will find in the canvassing work opportunities to speak upon many things pertaining to the future, immortal life. The experience thus gained will be of the greatest value to those who are fitting themselves for the ministry. It is the accompaniment of the Holy Spirit of God that prepares workers, both men and women, to become pastors to the flock of God." 

The remainder of the paragraph describes the character-building benefits of engaging in the canvassing work.

Was Ellen White here calling for women to be appointed pastors of churches, and therefore perhaps even to be ordained to that ministry? There are several indications that she was not.

First of all, when Ellen White wrote about ordained church pastors, she typically referred to them as ministers rather than pastors . In cases in which she used the term pastor she seems to have done so with a specialized meaning in mind, using the term to refer to a person doing personal labor in the nurture of the flock, rather than a particular church office or position.

For example, she wrote about an Elder H who told “the poor sheep that he would rather be horsewhipped than visit. He neglected personal labor, therefore pastoral work was not done in the church and its borders. . . . Had the preacher done the work of a pastor, a much larger number would now be rejoicing in the truth.” 

Speaking of ministers who devote excessive time to reading and writing, she said: “The duties of a pastor are often shamelessly neglected because the minister lacks strength to sacrifice his personal inclinations for seclusion and study. The pastor should visit from house to house among his flock, teaching, conversing, and praying with each family, and looking out for the welfare of their souls.” 
She again expressed her concern for personal care for the flock this way: “Responsibilities must be laid upon the members of the church. The missionary spirit should be awakened as never before, and workers should be appointed as needed, who will act as pastors to the flock, putting forth personal effort to bring the church up to that condition where spiritual life and activity will be seen in all her borders.” 

In each instance here the concept of pastor is associated with the function of personal work for the flock of God, even when it is done by members of the church other than the minister. One who visits families, who teaches and prays with them, who shows personal care and interest, is doing pastoral work.

If Mrs. White intended to open the regular pastoral ministry to women, we might well expect her to give strong emphasis to the point rather than simply mentioning it as an aside in an article focusing on the canvassing work. In the same volume of Testimonies we find an article entitled, “Women to Be Gospel Workers.”  Its focus also is on personal work in families and with other women, with no mention of the workers being ordained ministers.

The same volume also includes a chapter entitled “Young Men in the Ministry,” in which, after saying that “the Lord calls for more ministers to labor in His vineyard,” she adds, “God calls for you, young men. He calls for whole armies of young men.”  The whole chapter is a call for men to enter the ministry, with no mention of women doing so. The same sort of gender-specific call for the ministry of men also appears in the chapter “The Need of Educational Reform.”  It seems only natural to expect these articles to urge women also to join the ranks of ministers if Mrs. White believed that women canvassers were preparing for ordination.

It seems that Mrs. White did not envision men and women doing the same work of ministry. Rather, she called for women especially to undertake a personal ministry of visitation and instruction in the home.  Such a work was necessary, important work, and was “in the line of ministry,” though often neglected by the men. The work of these women would complement rather than duplicate the regular ministry of the men. And there is no call for ordination connected with it.


Seriously Jason? You haven't answered to my question.

Besides, should not or can not be pastors? What is the relation existing between 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 and the women's ordination?
Ah! please! Avoid "copy and paste" unnecessary. I'm doing a effort to reply you at English but I don't speak English, be kind with your interlocutor, at least build a summary by yourself.


Jason has given you a credible source from the Spirit of Prophecy. Ellen White does point back to scripture.

Amelia the Bible said that only men can be elder, pastor, overseer. From Adam men have had the role as the spiritual leaders. No woman has been given this role. Don't buy into this worldly feminist doctrine which is not Godly. God has established an order which we must follow. We should not follow the world ...

The Adventist Church already have women pastors and women elders, the Spiritual Gifts and Ministries are inside your 28 beliefs: "God bestows upon all members of His church in every age spiritual gifts..."

The Bible says "...gave gifts to his people"
"So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers" (Ephes. 4:11)

Pastorship is a gift of God, the Holy Spirit give the gifts to who He wants (1 Cor. 12:11) with a purpose "to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up" (Ephes. 4:12).

Christ is the role model of leadership true, He said: “Anyone who wants to be first must be the very last, and the servant of all.” :)

God is in control.

Happy Sabbath, Jason!

what does the New Testament actually say about women in elder-pastor leadership roles?

“I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent” (1 Timothy 2:12). “If anyone aspires to the office of bishop, he desires a noble task. Now a bishop must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, . . . an apt teacher” (1 Timothy 3:1, 2). “This is why I left you in Crete, that you might amend what was defective, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you, if any man is blameless, the husband of one wife . . .” (Titus 1:5, 6). “As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. . . . If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that what I am writing to you is a command of the Lord” (1 Corinthians 14:33-37).

Happy Sabbath and don't buy into the feminist doctrine

:) Jason, off topic!

The context is skewed. Ellen White herself was called by God to preach and teach. Pastorship is something the Adventist Church is still growing. A couple of good resource books for you to read are:

Adventist Pastoral Ministry by John W. Fowler and

Women in the Church by Samuele Bacchiocchi

God Bless...

Samuele Bacchiocchi is not a credible source.

Unless he was given the Spirit of prophecy. .. There are no women pastors elders in the Bible. The church has apostazied from the truth in allowing women elders and pastors. And all of their credentials should have been revoked at the general conference session

But as always. Too many weak leaders afraid of hurting people feelings. Broke the heart of God.. There is no Bible leg to stand on women pastors or elders..

Don't blink. When they allow a gay pastor of the church. Because all of the people have warned you that it would happen as a result of changing the order of God..

Feminism doctrine.


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